Anthrax conquers adversity (once again) with Worship Music
A Heavy Metal Hog Exclusive Feature
By Thom Copher
A Heavy Metal Hog Exclusive Feature
By Thom Copher
Anthrax - if one were to look up that word in the rock and roll thesaurus, one of the
synonyms would surely be "adversity." Tumultuous change in personnel, tumultuous
change in the music scene, national tragedy with eerie linkage to the band's name
itself, record label turmoil... the list goes on. Amidst all of the challenges, where
any single factor could derail a band with lesser determination, the name Anthrax
remains strong and proud, a testament to the raw, shredding metal music which the
band continues to define.
That being said, 2009 is shaping up to be a busy chapter in the continuing Anthrax
saga. First off, with the release of Worship Music (the band's 10th studio disc)
tentatively set for June, Anthrax will, for the record - as it were - introduce the
latest addition to the 'Thrax family, vocalist Dan Nelson, formerly of the Long
Island band Devilsize. Guitarist/producer Rob Caggiano first turned the rest of
the band on to Dan after working on a side project with the singer. Nelson relates
the details: "I originally contacted Rob about jamming through MySpace. After
laying down some tracks, he took me aside and told me that he thought I'd be a good
fit for Anthrax. I was contacted by (Anthrax drummer) Charlie (Benante) shortly
after, and in October of '07 I auditioned. The rest, as they say, is history."
Anthrax guitarist/founder Scott Ian is understandably animated when speaking
synonyms would surely be "adversity." Tumultuous change in personnel, tumultuous
change in the music scene, national tragedy with eerie linkage to the band's name
itself, record label turmoil... the list goes on. Amidst all of the challenges, where
any single factor could derail a band with lesser determination, the name Anthrax
remains strong and proud, a testament to the raw, shredding metal music which the
band continues to define.
That being said, 2009 is shaping up to be a busy chapter in the continuing Anthrax
saga. First off, with the release of Worship Music (the band's 10th studio disc)
tentatively set for June, Anthrax will, for the record - as it were - introduce the
latest addition to the 'Thrax family, vocalist Dan Nelson, formerly of the Long
Island band Devilsize. Guitarist/producer Rob Caggiano first turned the rest of
the band on to Dan after working on a side project with the singer. Nelson relates
the details: "I originally contacted Rob about jamming through MySpace. After
laying down some tracks, he took me aside and told me that he thought I'd be a good
fit for Anthrax. I was contacted by (Anthrax drummer) Charlie (Benante) shortly
after, and in October of '07 I auditioned. The rest, as they say, is history."
Anthrax guitarist/founder Scott Ian is understandably animated when speaking
We're a happy family - Anthrax: Frankie Bello, Rob Caggiano, Scott Ian, Dan
Nelson and Charlie Benante. Worship Music has been described as the band's
heaviest album to date.
Nelson and Charlie Benante. Worship Music has been described as the band's
heaviest album to date.
about Nelson. He describes the band's new voice as "(former Anthrax vocalist) John Bush on steroids."
That's pretty high praise for the 32-year-old singer, being that he considers Bush and his
work with Anthrax to be a major influence on his singing style. However, it was Dan's
versatility as a multi-dimensional singer which struck a chord with Benante. "Dan is one
of those singers that can change his style and sound," says Benante. "He brings new life
to the older material as well as the new songs which we had been working on. When he
came in and sang (from 1993's Sound of White Noise) "Room for One More" and "What
Doesn't Die" (from We've Come For You All, 2003), it was so exciting. I get chills just
thinking about it."
Bassist Frankie Bello shares the sentiment with Ian and Benante, offering that the
choosing of Nelson was, essentially, a no-brainer: "Dan brought in (a real) breath of fresh
air. He has a killer voice and he's a good guy... he really fits Anthrax. The guy sings like
nobody I've heard (and) I'm really proud of what he's done. This is the new Anthrax, and
it does sound different, but it's in the same heavy/melodic vein. I don't compare it; I
just see it as, 'I love the challenge of having a new Anthrax.'"
work with Anthrax to be a major influence on his singing style. However, it was Dan's
versatility as a multi-dimensional singer which struck a chord with Benante. "Dan is one
of those singers that can change his style and sound," says Benante. "He brings new life
to the older material as well as the new songs which we had been working on. When he
came in and sang (from 1993's Sound of White Noise) "Room for One More" and "What
Doesn't Die" (from We've Come For You All, 2003), it was so exciting. I get chills just
thinking about it."
Bassist Frankie Bello shares the sentiment with Ian and Benante, offering that the
choosing of Nelson was, essentially, a no-brainer: "Dan brought in (a real) breath of fresh
air. He has a killer voice and he's a good guy... he really fits Anthrax. The guy sings like
nobody I've heard (and) I'm really proud of what he's done. This is the new Anthrax, and
it does sound different, but it's in the same heavy/melodic vein. I don't compare it; I
just see it as, 'I love the challenge of having a new Anthrax.'"
New vocalist Dan Nelson formerly sang in Devilsize and was a personal
trainer before being selected to join Anthrax.
trainer before being selected to join Anthrax.
Nelson, enthusiastic as he is, modestly downplays the magnitude of being selected to front the mighty Anthrax machine. "I like to think I have my own
voice, but a lot of people are saying I'm very similar to John Bush," he says. "That is a huge compliment since John Bush is a metal god. People also ask:
'Are you going to fill John Bush's shoes?' Let me make one thing clear: 'No way!' John Bush is the man. I'm looking to do a restart with Anthrax the
same way John did when he took [Joey Belladonna's] place."
The telling of Nelson's rags-to-riches induction sounds almost too good to be true; truth be told, though, it almost wasn't true. After the "classic-era"
reunion project fragmented in 2006, reports began to surface in the summer of 2007 that Anthrax was quietly working with Slipknot/Stone Sour
frontman Corey Taylor. Having reportedly written lyrics "to fit nine songs for (the new Anthrax) album," Taylor's participation was a race against time
as his commitment to Slipknot's forthcoming album drew nearer and nearer. Alas, the clock did expire and Taylor had to permanently step away from
the prospect of committing anything to Anthrax, citing "I'd known all along that it would come down to how much time I had (outside of Slipknot)."
The dark cloud surrounding the Anthrax/Taylor turn of events did, however, have a silver lining which opened the door for Caggiano's prize discovery in
Nelson. In retrospect, the misfortune led Anthrax to a stability which surely would not have been possible with the proposed "guest" appearance by
Taylor.
voice, but a lot of people are saying I'm very similar to John Bush," he says. "That is a huge compliment since John Bush is a metal god. People also ask:
'Are you going to fill John Bush's shoes?' Let me make one thing clear: 'No way!' John Bush is the man. I'm looking to do a restart with Anthrax the
same way John did when he took [Joey Belladonna's] place."
The telling of Nelson's rags-to-riches induction sounds almost too good to be true; truth be told, though, it almost wasn't true. After the "classic-era"
reunion project fragmented in 2006, reports began to surface in the summer of 2007 that Anthrax was quietly working with Slipknot/Stone Sour
frontman Corey Taylor. Having reportedly written lyrics "to fit nine songs for (the new Anthrax) album," Taylor's participation was a race against time
as his commitment to Slipknot's forthcoming album drew nearer and nearer. Alas, the clock did expire and Taylor had to permanently step away from
the prospect of committing anything to Anthrax, citing "I'd known all along that it would come down to how much time I had (outside of Slipknot)."
The dark cloud surrounding the Anthrax/Taylor turn of events did, however, have a silver lining which opened the door for Caggiano's prize discovery in
Nelson. In retrospect, the misfortune led Anthrax to a stability which surely would not have been possible with the proposed "guest" appearance by
Taylor.
With that, it was on to the business of transposing vision to vinyl (so to say) which has materialized as
Worship Music. The album is monumental in that it will arrive in the year which marks the band's 25th
anniversary - yup, it has been that long since Fistful of Metal made its influential mark on the then-new
genre of speed/thrash metal. Worship Music also finds Anthrax returning to Megaforce Records, the
band's original label. Benante, particularly, is pleased with the band's return to Megaforce. He said the
label will undoubtedly provide Anthrax with the support which, strangely, has been missing for a number of
years. Additionally, it's like coming home to a family.
"Missi Callazzo (Vice President of Megaforce) has done above and beyond for this band (and she) absolutely
knows how to work a record. She is someone who believes in and lives Anthrax, and we haven't had that in a
long time. She knows the band inside and out. She's like a sister of ours," said Benante.
Given the legacy which is Anthrax, re-energized by the presence of "the new guy," Nelson, speculation
immediately began as to what direction the new album would take. Benante, reflecting on the band's work
thus far on Worship Music, comments on a few of his favorite new tunes: "This one song called 'Down Goes
the Sun,' is probably, for me, the most epic song that I've come up with. It has a lot of life in it. There's a
song called 'Earth on Hell,' which is a play on the words 'hell on earth,' which could have been on our Among
the Living record. There's 'Fight 'Em 'Til You Can't,' which is about zombies - who doesn't love a good
zombie song?" Other standout tracks include 'Vampires' (Bello: "It's a dark, heavy groove with some
serious, amazing vocals and a great, big chorus"), 'Crawl' (Bello: "Another dark song, it's going to throw
Worship Music. The album is monumental in that it will arrive in the year which marks the band's 25th
anniversary - yup, it has been that long since Fistful of Metal made its influential mark on the then-new
genre of speed/thrash metal. Worship Music also finds Anthrax returning to Megaforce Records, the
band's original label. Benante, particularly, is pleased with the band's return to Megaforce. He said the
label will undoubtedly provide Anthrax with the support which, strangely, has been missing for a number of
years. Additionally, it's like coming home to a family.
"Missi Callazzo (Vice President of Megaforce) has done above and beyond for this band (and she) absolutely
knows how to work a record. She is someone who believes in and lives Anthrax, and we haven't had that in a
long time. She knows the band inside and out. She's like a sister of ours," said Benante.
Given the legacy which is Anthrax, re-energized by the presence of "the new guy," Nelson, speculation
immediately began as to what direction the new album would take. Benante, reflecting on the band's work
thus far on Worship Music, comments on a few of his favorite new tunes: "This one song called 'Down Goes
the Sun,' is probably, for me, the most epic song that I've come up with. It has a lot of life in it. There's a
song called 'Earth on Hell,' which is a play on the words 'hell on earth,' which could have been on our Among
the Living record. There's 'Fight 'Em 'Til You Can't,' which is about zombies - who doesn't love a good
zombie song?" Other standout tracks include 'Vampires' (Bello: "It's a dark, heavy groove with some
serious, amazing vocals and a great, big chorus"), 'Crawl' (Bello: "Another dark song, it's going to throw
Scott Ian formed the first incarnation of Anthrax in
1981. However, the '83-'84 lineup that recorded
Fistful of Metal is recognized as the first Anthrax.
1981. However, the '83-'84 lineup that recorded
Fistful of Metal is recognized as the first Anthrax.
people for a loop"), 'The Devil You Know' (Ian: "It's an almost AC/DC groove filtered through an Anthrax lens"), and 'The Giant' (Ian: "It's so brutally
in-your-face").
in-your-face").
Charlie Benante invited his nephew, Frankie Bello, to
join the band prior to the sessions for 1985's Armed
and Dangerous EP.
join the band prior to the sessions for 1985's Armed
and Dangerous EP.
Frankie Bello took a brief hiatus from Anthrax in
2004 to play in Helmut; he returned a year later.
2004 to play in Helmut; he returned a year later.
Caggiano, who picks up where he left off after yielding to the
brief (reunion) re-emergence of Dan Spitz, comments on the
natural course which Anthrax' music has always taken and
continues to take on Worship Music. "The music should
(always be allowed to do that) - especially with a band like
Anthrax that constantly tries to push the envelope and expand
the boundaries, it's really important for everyone in this band
to be making music from the heart. There is no musical
'auto-pilot,' so to speak. I think this new record will pick up
where We've Come for You All left off and then some. It's
coming out killer!"
Ian and Benante echo the sentiment that Worship Music
doesn't follow a pre-destined style. They describe the new
disc as an amalgam of WCFYA and old-sclool-meets-new-era
Anthrax.
"The song 'Fight 'Em 'Till You Can't' is straight-up 1988
brief (reunion) re-emergence of Dan Spitz, comments on the
natural course which Anthrax' music has always taken and
continues to take on Worship Music. "The music should
(always be allowed to do that) - especially with a band like
Anthrax that constantly tries to push the envelope and expand
the boundaries, it's really important for everyone in this band
to be making music from the heart. There is no musical
'auto-pilot,' so to speak. I think this new record will pick up
where We've Come for You All left off and then some. It's
coming out killer!"
Ian and Benante echo the sentiment that Worship Music
doesn't follow a pre-destined style. They describe the new
disc as an amalgam of WCFYA and old-sclool-meets-new-era
Anthrax.
"The song 'Fight 'Em 'Till You Can't' is straight-up 1988
through a (present-day) filter. Another new one is 'Revolution Screams,' which is (modern) thrash. There's a
lot of material and it's coming to life with Dan's voice," expresses Ian.
lot of material and it's coming to life with Dan's voice," expresses Ian.
Benante confirms, "It's hard nowadays to try and relive 1986 (because) we were different in 1986. We can reach inside and pull out some of the
old-school and make ourselves make that music, but we don't. The song 'Fight 'Em 'Till You Can't' is as organic as it gets; however, it's not forced, but
(still) it is like an old-school thrash song."
A little bit of the classic sound molding with a bit of new vigor and direction, Anthrax seems to be firmly poised to forge a new chapter in its legendary
legacy. Ian, Benante and Bello have, once again, weathered the storm and righted the ship. The addition of "the new guy" will, often times, have that
effect. However, the persistence of one Rob Caggiano - a looming presence on stage and a tireless perfectionist in the studio, yet rather humble from a
personal perspective, should be recognized.
old-school and make ourselves make that music, but we don't. The song 'Fight 'Em 'Till You Can't' is as organic as it gets; however, it's not forced, but
(still) it is like an old-school thrash song."
A little bit of the classic sound molding with a bit of new vigor and direction, Anthrax seems to be firmly poised to forge a new chapter in its legendary
legacy. Ian, Benante and Bello have, once again, weathered the storm and righted the ship. The addition of "the new guy" will, often times, have that
effect. However, the persistence of one Rob Caggiano - a looming presence on stage and a tireless perfectionist in the studio, yet rather humble from a
personal perspective, should be recognized.
Rob Caggiano and his production team, Scrap 60, has worked with a range of
artists and styles from Cradle of Filth to Bruce Springsteen.
artists and styles from Cradle of Filth to Bruce Springsteen.
Caggiano did voice his disdain at the time concerning the "classic-lineup" reunion. Jeez,
the guy is human. However, in speaking with him, one gets the feel for the true class by
which he carries himself. When I asked him about the sudden redirection in 2005, with
the re-enlistment of Belladonna and Spitz which left him and Bush hanging in the
balance, he said simply, "I'd rather not comment on this question." However, he did
provide an insightful perspective which all of us for-the-ages Anthrax fans likely felt: "I
guess (the reunion was) just something that needed to happen. Everyone has their own
opinion about that time and I think it's best at this point to just leave it at that."
In retrospect, it's not like Caggiano was hurting for work; in fact, quite the opposite is
the case. An accomplished producer outside of the Anthrax camp, he continued to build
on an impressive other-side-of-the-board resume. He, Eddie Wohl and Steve Regina,
collectively known as the production company Scrap 60, have been behind the scenes for
a range of artists including H20, Bleeding Through, Jesse Malin, A Life Once Lost and
Cradle of Filth (a collaboration which led to a Grammy nomination in 2005). He's also
worked with a Jersey guy named, uh... Bruce..., well, I'm sure some of you know who I'm
talking about!
the guy is human. However, in speaking with him, one gets the feel for the true class by
which he carries himself. When I asked him about the sudden redirection in 2005, with
the re-enlistment of Belladonna and Spitz which left him and Bush hanging in the
balance, he said simply, "I'd rather not comment on this question." However, he did
provide an insightful perspective which all of us for-the-ages Anthrax fans likely felt: "I
guess (the reunion was) just something that needed to happen. Everyone has their own
opinion about that time and I think it's best at this point to just leave it at that."
In retrospect, it's not like Caggiano was hurting for work; in fact, quite the opposite is
the case. An accomplished producer outside of the Anthrax camp, he continued to build
on an impressive other-side-of-the-board resume. He, Eddie Wohl and Steve Regina,
collectively known as the production company Scrap 60, have been behind the scenes for
a range of artists including H20, Bleeding Through, Jesse Malin, A Life Once Lost and
Cradle of Filth (a collaboration which led to a Grammy nomination in 2005). He's also
worked with a Jersey guy named, uh... Bruce..., well, I'm sure some of you know who I'm
talking about!
The bottom line is this: The Cagg was an Anthrax fan first and foremost way back when. His enlistment as both guitarist and producer gave Anthrax not
only an MVP-caliber member, but also a fresh perspective when the band needed it most, having suffered a series of setbacks following the brilliant but
unsupported Volume 8: The Threat is Real. The friendship which he forged with then-Anthrax vocalist John Bush is a testament to the bond which is
formed within the brotherhood of the band. His response to my questions concerning Bush were handled with dignity and respect concerning the singer
and present-day Anthrax members. Again, he simply voiced in perspective, saying that he is "... a huge JB fan" while praising Bush as "... one of the
greatest metal singers and a great guy. He's a class act."
As production winds down on Worship Music, we (the fans) can, at this point, only wait. However, as Anthrax has without a doubt one of the strongest and
most loyal fan bases in all of rock and roll, the anticipation more resembles that of a kid staying up late on Christmas Eve to catch a glimpse of St. Nick
rather than one being standoffish and pre-judgmental. We know that the new disc is gonna rock BALLS OUT... it's the Anthrax way. Come hell, high
water, bacterial scare or some other unforseen obstruction, Anthrax has and always will prevail as champions of the Heavy Metal crusade.
only an MVP-caliber member, but also a fresh perspective when the band needed it most, having suffered a series of setbacks following the brilliant but
unsupported Volume 8: The Threat is Real. The friendship which he forged with then-Anthrax vocalist John Bush is a testament to the bond which is
formed within the brotherhood of the band. His response to my questions concerning Bush were handled with dignity and respect concerning the singer
and present-day Anthrax members. Again, he simply voiced in perspective, saying that he is "... a huge JB fan" while praising Bush as "... one of the
greatest metal singers and a great guy. He's a class act."
As production winds down on Worship Music, we (the fans) can, at this point, only wait. However, as Anthrax has without a doubt one of the strongest and
most loyal fan bases in all of rock and roll, the anticipation more resembles that of a kid staying up late on Christmas Eve to catch a glimpse of St. Nick
rather than one being standoffish and pre-judgmental. We know that the new disc is gonna rock BALLS OUT... it's the Anthrax way. Come hell, high
water, bacterial scare or some other unforseen obstruction, Anthrax has and always will prevail as champions of the Heavy Metal crusade.
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I've been an Anthrax fan for 24 years and counting. One of my college buds turned me on to Spreading the Disease, and "BANG... ZOOM!"... I was
hooked. As the release date for Worship Music began to become reality, I decided to go out on a limb with this one by attempting contact with Anthrax
guitarist/producer Rob Caggiano to get the skinny on the new disc. Needless to say, I was thrilled and honored when he accepted my request. Rob has
been kind enough to answer my questions (and I don't mean some short stock responses) with a matter-of-fact honesty which is representative of the
kinda guy he is... a true professional who loves the music that he makes. Now, some of the interview was used in the feature story above, but I have
decided to keep the interview (here) in its entirety to keep the vibe and flow of our discussion intact. So, without further ado, here is the Heavy Metal
Hog exclusive Worship Music pre-release/all-things-Anthrax-that-I-wanted-to-know Q&A.
Heavy Metal Hog: Rob, the bits I've heard from Worship Music (on anthrax.com, YouTube, etc.) sounds mean and quite different than anything
previously from the band. Is it the intention to let the past be what it is and let the music's nature take its course?
Rob Caggiano: Well of course the music should always take it's course. Especially with a band like Anthrax that constantly tries to push the envelope
and expand the boundaries, it's really important for everyone in this band to be making music from the heart. There is no musical "auto-pilot" so to
speak! I think this new record will pick up where We've Come for You All left off and then some. It's coming out killer!
HMH: How much influence has Dan Nelson's style influenced the direction, if any?
RC: I don't think Dan really influenced the direction of the band musically to be honest. He just kind of came in and adapted to what was already going on.
He has a great voice.
HMH: I understand that Dan came to the band's attention at your high recommendation. I have a bit of insight, but how exactly did the ball get rolling
concerning this?
RC: Well, Dan basically reached out to me via email. He basically told me he was a huge fan of my work etc...and that he was looking for a vocalist gig. I
checked him out and when Charlie called me a few weeks later, I threw Dan's name into the hat. Everything else just kind of took it's course. It was
pretty simple really.
HMH: Let's backtrack a bit. You've been in and around Anthrax for some time. How did you originally get involved? Was your original role as producer,
guitarist, or both?
RC: Well I've been a HUGE Anthrax fan for as long as I can remember, so musically it's very natural for me to be in this band. As far as how I got in
etc....I guess, a lot of it has to do with the fact that everyone in the band is from NY so we always had a lot of the same friends and traveled in the same
circles so to speak. Then of course there is the fact that I was incredibly persistent (ha, ha)!
HMH: As much as I liked Volume 8, it seemed that Anthrax was out of sync (during that period)- the record deal went belly up, there was no "official"
lead guitarist, and so on. It appeared to me that your expertise provided an element of stability... would you agree?
RC: I agree with you in the sense that it did feel like the band was out of sync at the time. However having said that, the tune "Inside Out" is one of my
favorite Anthrax songs ever..... there is no question that there was some real quality stuff on that record. I think the problem was like you said, it just
didn't feel like a band really. Paul Crook is a good friend of mine and an amazing musician as well, but the fact that he was never really part of the band
made it feel weird to me. It felt weird to me as a fan who's been following the band's career for years to suddenly have this void in the aura. I strongly
believe that anytime there is instability or internal confusion within a band....the fans pick up on it immediately. When I came into the picture, it
suddenly felt like a band again. I'm not really sure why that is but that's really the way it felt to me and everyone around it.
HMH: I have openly written that We've Come For You All may very well have been the finest hour (to that point) in the storied history of Anthrax.
Why exactly, just when the steamroller was building momentum, did the guys decide to do the reunion thing? I know that Frankie briefly left and came
back when Joey and Danny returned. Was there friction within the band that led to Frankie's leaving; was there a situation with John Bush?
RC: Well this is a question I'd rather not comment on. Frankly because I have spoken my mind regarding the reunion and the way it went down in
interviews before. It really didn't make sense to me at all because it definitely felt like the band was building a lot of momentum again worldwide after
We've Come For you All but I guess it's just something that needed to happen. When all of that stuff went down, I started really getting busy as a
record producer ....to the point of being nominated for a Grammy in 2005, so it didn't have any negative effect on my life per say. Look, everyone has
their own opinion about that time and I think it's best at this point to just leave it at that.
HMH: In the press, the whole reunion thing was reported as mutually agreed upon. Was that really the case? At first, as I understand, it was to be a
tour, then it turned into tour and record (which, of course, never came to light); what happened? Were you going to be involved with a record including
Joey and Dan (Spitz) as either producer and/or player?
RC: I'm not really sure to be honest. I was not in the loop at the time. As far as me being involved with a record including Joey and Dan..... no that was
never the case.
HMH: Personally, I don't think a Belladonna/Bush dual-vocalist thing would have worked on any level. Was that an attempt to keep John in the loop? Was
the honest intention to bring him (any you) back after the reunion ran its course? I understand that John was contacted after Joey (again) departed, but
he passed. Are there hard feelings on his part, or do you think he's content with concentrating on Armored Saint?
RC: I agree, I don't think it would have worked either. To me that would have been getting into "Vegas" territory (ha, ha)! As far as where John Bush is
at right now, I don't think there are any hard feelings there. Of course as it was all going down it got a little emotional but at this point I think it's all
water under the bridge. Not only is John Bush one the greatest metal singers of all time in my opinion but he's just a great guy. He's a class act.
HMH: For the record, I have always been a JB fan and thought he was the total package, both on record and especially live where Joey was erratic at
times. Were you bummed when he chose not to rejoin? There was always the atmosphere of Joey-era versus John-era. Was that tough to deal with? Do
you anticipate any of the same reaction with the addition of Dan Nelson, especially now that there's a bit of a redirection in sound? He seems to be a
good fit musically and as a person (possibly Joey's Achilles' Heel?) which is, to those who have never been in a band, not easy to understand. Would you
say that Dan is one of the boys?
RC: Well to me John Bush has always been the real voice of Anthrax. I was a fan from day one and those old records are classic but when John joined, I
felt the music just got darker and cooler. I liked the more serious vibe he brought to the sound. To be honest, when John was asked to join the band
again, I wasn't even in the band so I'm not sure how to answer that. I didn't really find out about that until way after the fact. As far as how the fans
are going to react to Dan Nelson as the singer of Anthrax..... I'm not sure. So far we've played a handful of great shows together and the crowds seemed
to dig it everynight. That's really the only thing I have to go on at this point. I guess we'll see when the record comes out.
HMH: O.K., on to Worship Music. What, if any, inspiration - other that the usual "Anthrax triumphs over adversity" - has fueled the band's passion for
the new album? Has the writing process been similar to the past? How involved were you with the writing phase?
RC: Well to start with, the writing process for every Anthrax record has pretty much been the same since the band started. A lot of it is the same
stuff almost every band that's been around for a long time goes through while being creative.....fights, arguments, hurt feelings, ego clashes, etc.... it's all
part of the process. I actually think all the drama adds to the overall vibe of the record in the end. In the case of Anthrax, it's heavy metal and there
SHOULD be some conflict and tension while creating it. It's the nature of the music!
HMH: This is the first album in a long time to not have involvement from Brother Dime. Has that been difficult for the guys, Scott and Charlie in
particular, to deal with? Has Dime's spirit been a driving force?
RC: Well to be honest, I feel a little weird answering this question and I hate to say this but it's because it almost seems trendy to talk about what
happened to Dimebag these days...... However in this case I can say first hand that Dimebag is now and will always be truly missed within the Anthrax
camp. He was really close to this band. Dime was a huge inspiration for all of us and there was a real love there. It's absolutely horrible what happened
to him and it makes me extremely angry every time I think about it but the bright side is that his music will go on forever. He will continue to inspire
people for many years to come and that to me is the best tribute anyone could ever give him........just open your ears and listen!
HMH: O.K., a few tour-related bits on a different plane here. In the recent past, Anthrax has sported an impressive supporting cast of up-and-coming
acts, Lamb of God and Lacuna Coil to name a couple. Do you think that bands look to Anthrax and the possibility of sharing the stage with such an
important and influential band as a springboard to their bigger success? Along those lines, are there any bands from a supporting angle who Anthrax is
working with for a possible road trek? Are there any bands whom Anthrax would consider touring with as a supporting act?
RC: Yes we've definitely taken out some really great bands over the years. I think if I was in a young metal band these days, I would love to get the
opportunity to tour with a band like Anthrax! I think there is a certain level of credibility that goes along with that too. One thing I can say is that no
matter who we tour with....it always ends up feeling like one big family out there. I think that's really important. I'm not sure what the touring plans are
yet because we're still working on the album and I can't comment on that but I will say there are loads of bands I would love to play with either as a
headliner or a support slot. I love so many different bands that it's hard to pinpoint them all right now. I have to say though, I would personally love to
play some shows with Metallica....that would really be killer!
HMH: It seems, in light of today's climate, that package-tours are an economical trend, at least for the fans. Would Anthrax consider that, at least in
part, as an option? Do you and the band think that package tours are healthy for the bands or do they possibly take away from the intimacy of the
band/fan relationship of traditional touring?
RC: I think package tours can be great but they can also be a drag, too. It depends on the bill really. If you have a bunch of amazing bands on the bill it
usually ends up being great. Sometimes I think there can be too many bands on a bill though. I know for me, it's almost like my brain gets overloaded
after while, but again, I'm not really sure what the future holds as far as Anthrax on the road right now. We have to finish the record first!
HMH: A couple of the successful big-band releases of the past year were those by AC/DC and Metallica. How big of a shot in the arm do you feel that
these have given the music industry, generally speaking, and the metal scene, specifically? How important do you think it was for Metallica to reconnect
with their past - in essence, to give the fans what they wanted?
RC: Both of those records you just mentioned are killer. I love Black Ice and Scott and I just saw them play in LA not too long ago. It was one of the
best shows I had ever seen!! I think Death Magnetic is a really great record too even though I HATE the way it was mixed (ha, ha)! I definitely feel
like the success of those two albums was a bit of a wake up call for the music industry. The message to me is that people ARE still buying records like
crazy....they're just buying "good" records these days more so than the in between stuff. Look at Coldplay....look at Radiohead or U2 for that matter. All
those bands do incredibly well and it's because they make records that connect and resonate with people on many levels.
HMH: O.K., I'm leading into this... I think that WCFYA recaptured a lot of the fire and fury of classic-era Anthrax, a very timeless sound. Was that the
intention with that album and do you think that there is an importance to keep that vibe alive? How much of that do you feel is present with Worship
Music (or, again, is the creative nature taking its course)?
RC: I definitely feel like the creative nature is taking it's course but at the same time this new album will still sound like an Anthrax album. It's the
chemistry and synergy between all of us that makes it that no matter what. There is definitely a "fire and fury" thing that happens when we all get
together and play and it's impossible for that not to end up on the record.
HMH: If you had to describe the current state of Anthrax into one word or phrase, what would that be?
RC: Controlled Chaos!!!
hooked. As the release date for Worship Music began to become reality, I decided to go out on a limb with this one by attempting contact with Anthrax
guitarist/producer Rob Caggiano to get the skinny on the new disc. Needless to say, I was thrilled and honored when he accepted my request. Rob has
been kind enough to answer my questions (and I don't mean some short stock responses) with a matter-of-fact honesty which is representative of the
kinda guy he is... a true professional who loves the music that he makes. Now, some of the interview was used in the feature story above, but I have
decided to keep the interview (here) in its entirety to keep the vibe and flow of our discussion intact. So, without further ado, here is the Heavy Metal
Hog exclusive Worship Music pre-release/all-things-Anthrax-that-I-wanted-to-know Q&A.
Heavy Metal Hog: Rob, the bits I've heard from Worship Music (on anthrax.com, YouTube, etc.) sounds mean and quite different than anything
previously from the band. Is it the intention to let the past be what it is and let the music's nature take its course?
Rob Caggiano: Well of course the music should always take it's course. Especially with a band like Anthrax that constantly tries to push the envelope
and expand the boundaries, it's really important for everyone in this band to be making music from the heart. There is no musical "auto-pilot" so to
speak! I think this new record will pick up where We've Come for You All left off and then some. It's coming out killer!
HMH: How much influence has Dan Nelson's style influenced the direction, if any?
RC: I don't think Dan really influenced the direction of the band musically to be honest. He just kind of came in and adapted to what was already going on.
He has a great voice.
HMH: I understand that Dan came to the band's attention at your high recommendation. I have a bit of insight, but how exactly did the ball get rolling
concerning this?
RC: Well, Dan basically reached out to me via email. He basically told me he was a huge fan of my work etc...and that he was looking for a vocalist gig. I
checked him out and when Charlie called me a few weeks later, I threw Dan's name into the hat. Everything else just kind of took it's course. It was
pretty simple really.
HMH: Let's backtrack a bit. You've been in and around Anthrax for some time. How did you originally get involved? Was your original role as producer,
guitarist, or both?
RC: Well I've been a HUGE Anthrax fan for as long as I can remember, so musically it's very natural for me to be in this band. As far as how I got in
etc....I guess, a lot of it has to do with the fact that everyone in the band is from NY so we always had a lot of the same friends and traveled in the same
circles so to speak. Then of course there is the fact that I was incredibly persistent (ha, ha)!
HMH: As much as I liked Volume 8, it seemed that Anthrax was out of sync (during that period)- the record deal went belly up, there was no "official"
lead guitarist, and so on. It appeared to me that your expertise provided an element of stability... would you agree?
RC: I agree with you in the sense that it did feel like the band was out of sync at the time. However having said that, the tune "Inside Out" is one of my
favorite Anthrax songs ever..... there is no question that there was some real quality stuff on that record. I think the problem was like you said, it just
didn't feel like a band really. Paul Crook is a good friend of mine and an amazing musician as well, but the fact that he was never really part of the band
made it feel weird to me. It felt weird to me as a fan who's been following the band's career for years to suddenly have this void in the aura. I strongly
believe that anytime there is instability or internal confusion within a band....the fans pick up on it immediately. When I came into the picture, it
suddenly felt like a band again. I'm not really sure why that is but that's really the way it felt to me and everyone around it.
HMH: I have openly written that We've Come For You All may very well have been the finest hour (to that point) in the storied history of Anthrax.
Why exactly, just when the steamroller was building momentum, did the guys decide to do the reunion thing? I know that Frankie briefly left and came
back when Joey and Danny returned. Was there friction within the band that led to Frankie's leaving; was there a situation with John Bush?
RC: Well this is a question I'd rather not comment on. Frankly because I have spoken my mind regarding the reunion and the way it went down in
interviews before. It really didn't make sense to me at all because it definitely felt like the band was building a lot of momentum again worldwide after
We've Come For you All but I guess it's just something that needed to happen. When all of that stuff went down, I started really getting busy as a
record producer ....to the point of being nominated for a Grammy in 2005, so it didn't have any negative effect on my life per say. Look, everyone has
their own opinion about that time and I think it's best at this point to just leave it at that.
HMH: In the press, the whole reunion thing was reported as mutually agreed upon. Was that really the case? At first, as I understand, it was to be a
tour, then it turned into tour and record (which, of course, never came to light); what happened? Were you going to be involved with a record including
Joey and Dan (Spitz) as either producer and/or player?
RC: I'm not really sure to be honest. I was not in the loop at the time. As far as me being involved with a record including Joey and Dan..... no that was
never the case.
HMH: Personally, I don't think a Belladonna/Bush dual-vocalist thing would have worked on any level. Was that an attempt to keep John in the loop? Was
the honest intention to bring him (any you) back after the reunion ran its course? I understand that John was contacted after Joey (again) departed, but
he passed. Are there hard feelings on his part, or do you think he's content with concentrating on Armored Saint?
RC: I agree, I don't think it would have worked either. To me that would have been getting into "Vegas" territory (ha, ha)! As far as where John Bush is
at right now, I don't think there are any hard feelings there. Of course as it was all going down it got a little emotional but at this point I think it's all
water under the bridge. Not only is John Bush one the greatest metal singers of all time in my opinion but he's just a great guy. He's a class act.
HMH: For the record, I have always been a JB fan and thought he was the total package, both on record and especially live where Joey was erratic at
times. Were you bummed when he chose not to rejoin? There was always the atmosphere of Joey-era versus John-era. Was that tough to deal with? Do
you anticipate any of the same reaction with the addition of Dan Nelson, especially now that there's a bit of a redirection in sound? He seems to be a
good fit musically and as a person (possibly Joey's Achilles' Heel?) which is, to those who have never been in a band, not easy to understand. Would you
say that Dan is one of the boys?
RC: Well to me John Bush has always been the real voice of Anthrax. I was a fan from day one and those old records are classic but when John joined, I
felt the music just got darker and cooler. I liked the more serious vibe he brought to the sound. To be honest, when John was asked to join the band
again, I wasn't even in the band so I'm not sure how to answer that. I didn't really find out about that until way after the fact. As far as how the fans
are going to react to Dan Nelson as the singer of Anthrax..... I'm not sure. So far we've played a handful of great shows together and the crowds seemed
to dig it everynight. That's really the only thing I have to go on at this point. I guess we'll see when the record comes out.
HMH: O.K., on to Worship Music. What, if any, inspiration - other that the usual "Anthrax triumphs over adversity" - has fueled the band's passion for
the new album? Has the writing process been similar to the past? How involved were you with the writing phase?
RC: Well to start with, the writing process for every Anthrax record has pretty much been the same since the band started. A lot of it is the same
stuff almost every band that's been around for a long time goes through while being creative.....fights, arguments, hurt feelings, ego clashes, etc.... it's all
part of the process. I actually think all the drama adds to the overall vibe of the record in the end. In the case of Anthrax, it's heavy metal and there
SHOULD be some conflict and tension while creating it. It's the nature of the music!
HMH: This is the first album in a long time to not have involvement from Brother Dime. Has that been difficult for the guys, Scott and Charlie in
particular, to deal with? Has Dime's spirit been a driving force?
RC: Well to be honest, I feel a little weird answering this question and I hate to say this but it's because it almost seems trendy to talk about what
happened to Dimebag these days...... However in this case I can say first hand that Dimebag is now and will always be truly missed within the Anthrax
camp. He was really close to this band. Dime was a huge inspiration for all of us and there was a real love there. It's absolutely horrible what happened
to him and it makes me extremely angry every time I think about it but the bright side is that his music will go on forever. He will continue to inspire
people for many years to come and that to me is the best tribute anyone could ever give him........just open your ears and listen!
HMH: O.K., a few tour-related bits on a different plane here. In the recent past, Anthrax has sported an impressive supporting cast of up-and-coming
acts, Lamb of God and Lacuna Coil to name a couple. Do you think that bands look to Anthrax and the possibility of sharing the stage with such an
important and influential band as a springboard to their bigger success? Along those lines, are there any bands from a supporting angle who Anthrax is
working with for a possible road trek? Are there any bands whom Anthrax would consider touring with as a supporting act?
RC: Yes we've definitely taken out some really great bands over the years. I think if I was in a young metal band these days, I would love to get the
opportunity to tour with a band like Anthrax! I think there is a certain level of credibility that goes along with that too. One thing I can say is that no
matter who we tour with....it always ends up feeling like one big family out there. I think that's really important. I'm not sure what the touring plans are
yet because we're still working on the album and I can't comment on that but I will say there are loads of bands I would love to play with either as a
headliner or a support slot. I love so many different bands that it's hard to pinpoint them all right now. I have to say though, I would personally love to
play some shows with Metallica....that would really be killer!
HMH: It seems, in light of today's climate, that package-tours are an economical trend, at least for the fans. Would Anthrax consider that, at least in
part, as an option? Do you and the band think that package tours are healthy for the bands or do they possibly take away from the intimacy of the
band/fan relationship of traditional touring?
RC: I think package tours can be great but they can also be a drag, too. It depends on the bill really. If you have a bunch of amazing bands on the bill it
usually ends up being great. Sometimes I think there can be too many bands on a bill though. I know for me, it's almost like my brain gets overloaded
after while, but again, I'm not really sure what the future holds as far as Anthrax on the road right now. We have to finish the record first!
HMH: A couple of the successful big-band releases of the past year were those by AC/DC and Metallica. How big of a shot in the arm do you feel that
these have given the music industry, generally speaking, and the metal scene, specifically? How important do you think it was for Metallica to reconnect
with their past - in essence, to give the fans what they wanted?
RC: Both of those records you just mentioned are killer. I love Black Ice and Scott and I just saw them play in LA not too long ago. It was one of the
best shows I had ever seen!! I think Death Magnetic is a really great record too even though I HATE the way it was mixed (ha, ha)! I definitely feel
like the success of those two albums was a bit of a wake up call for the music industry. The message to me is that people ARE still buying records like
crazy....they're just buying "good" records these days more so than the in between stuff. Look at Coldplay....look at Radiohead or U2 for that matter. All
those bands do incredibly well and it's because they make records that connect and resonate with people on many levels.
HMH: O.K., I'm leading into this... I think that WCFYA recaptured a lot of the fire and fury of classic-era Anthrax, a very timeless sound. Was that the
intention with that album and do you think that there is an importance to keep that vibe alive? How much of that do you feel is present with Worship
Music (or, again, is the creative nature taking its course)?
RC: I definitely feel like the creative nature is taking it's course but at the same time this new album will still sound like an Anthrax album. It's the
chemistry and synergy between all of us that makes it that no matter what. There is definitely a "fire and fury" thing that happens when we all get
together and play and it's impossible for that not to end up on the record.
HMH: If you had to describe the current state of Anthrax into one word or phrase, what would that be?
RC: Controlled Chaos!!!
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So, folks, there you have it... the real-deal on all-things-Anthrax that I had to know! I'd like to give an exponential thanks (!!!) to my rock and roll
brother Rob Caggiano for taking the time amidst his flurry of activities with Worship Music to field my questions and provide assistance and guidance
with this feature. Dude, YOU RULE!!! (Now, get back to work - HA, HA!) I certainly owe you a drink when I see you on the road! And to all of you:
CHEERS, RIDE SAFE, and ROCK ON!!! - TC
(In addition to Rob Caggiano and his invaluable assistance, the following sources were used to compile information for this feature - so, many thanks to
you folks, too!)
Orange County (O.C.) Register: ocregister.com
Metal Portal: www.metal-portal.net
bannedpromotions.com
roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net
www.foundrymusic.com
heavymetalmusic.biz
IESB Presents AudioFrequency.net: http://iesb.net/audiofrequency/
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Nelson (ref. directly to source)
And, of course, the Official Anthrax Website: http://www.anthrax.com
brother Rob Caggiano for taking the time amidst his flurry of activities with Worship Music to field my questions and provide assistance and guidance
with this feature. Dude, YOU RULE!!! (Now, get back to work - HA, HA!) I certainly owe you a drink when I see you on the road! And to all of you:
CHEERS, RIDE SAFE, and ROCK ON!!! - TC
(In addition to Rob Caggiano and his invaluable assistance, the following sources were used to compile information for this feature - so, many thanks to
you folks, too!)
Orange County (O.C.) Register: ocregister.com
Metal Portal: www.metal-portal.net
bannedpromotions.com
roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net
www.foundrymusic.com
heavymetalmusic.biz
IESB Presents AudioFrequency.net: http://iesb.net/audiofrequency/
Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Nelson (ref. directly to source)
And, of course, the Official Anthrax Website: http://www.anthrax.com